Alex: ... the art they made ...

SK8TC: yeah yeah, painting on pool blocks. Lots of people save them as souvenirs. I think every skate scene has something like that that can make up a story

Alex: Oh my God, yeah. It's so amazing. And getting back to the whole anthropological thing, someone could do that, somebody could write a whole book on that. A zombie academic could have a field day with all this stuff. I've actually read an article in some architecture book on skateboarding and architecture. It was done by some old ex-skater guy who now teaches at some British university. It was sort of like an argument about skaters subverting, you know you've got the subversion element of, skaters seizing and subverting spaces that aren't really made for, what they're intended to be made for. Making it what they want, which is a skate surface, it's just so great, you know. It all feeds in to graffiti at some level or other elements like that, kind of subversive art forms ... That's what's great about skating, there's so much more than meets the eye, it's not just wooden planks with wheels. There's the people that do it, where they do it, there's how they do it, there's the culture of doing it, it's just endless, that's why I love it. That's why skating is more than just the act of skating, it's the whole fucking thing.

SK8TC: It seems like it upsets people, we become so obsessed with it, to a different level, it shapes our lives. People like George and Tag where they work together in a (art) framing business. George has said it many times, he just wants to work with skaters, he has a hard time being around people that don't skate.

Alex: Right.

SK8TC: Or like the guys down in Florida who have whole (house) framing crews of skaters. It ties people together in more than just the session.

Alex: Definitely. At the same time, the great thing about skating is that, of course, all people are individuals. There's so many different types of skaters and what they're in to besides skating and how they like to skate and all that stuff. Even within skating itself, there's pool skaters, the vert skaters, the hessian types, the street dudes. It's all crazy. In some ways it's hard to believe it's all skating sometimes but it is.