Alex: It wasn't 'til a lot later actually when um. I'm still not that big of a skate road tripper, as much as like people like you are, or Charno, or other people who are always on the road, but ... I'm trying to remember. I didn't do the Ocean City thing when the other guys did. They used to go down there on the weekends, or Virginia Beach, or like, what was that place called? That place down in DC?

SK8TC: Cedar Crest?

Alex: Cedar Crest. I never really was involved with that scene. So not 'til Rick [Charnoski] and [Dan] Tag sorta settled in Philly, that's when I started going on road trips more. We used to go to the Turf and to the Hangar and those were the first like really memorable road trips. They weren't until like the early 90s so ... and then with Skatopia and places like that I'm definitely like a ...

SK8TC: That was one of the most memorable road trips ever. You guys rolled out in the Giant Steps van. Carlos, I think, was out there, we ended up skating Skatopia all weekend, and we went to Dodge with like 17 people ...

Alex: Yeah yeah, actually that was bad, 'cause I had just healed from a knee injury, and I hadn't skated anything in like two or three months, and then it was like baptism by fire, going to Skatopia...

SK8TC: Ohhh

Alex: ... and I was fine, my knee felt good, but then at Dodge, I re-tweaked it, and couldn't skate for like another 2 months or something. I was sort of of depressed, that happened at Dodge, but you know, that's part of the whole thing.

SK8TC: What do you think would be your favorite spot or your favorite trip, your biggest, most memorable skateboard experience?

Alex: Well we took a lot of funny ... just me Tag and Rick in this tiny Ford Festiva ... going to the Turf. This was when skating was so dead, like 1992, it was hard to find like big wheels; just going to a place like the Turf was so liberating, you know? It was definitely out of the moment. People were not skating the Turf. We camped in the back of the skatepark and I remember the cops coming and busting us at like 3 in the morning, asking us why we were there, telling them we were skaters who'd driven 14 hours to get there. I remember hanging out with these Christian skaters from Kentucky, who'd also road tripped that weekend. From middle of nowhere in Kentucky, we sort of freaked them out. I think we told them that we were gay homo skaters and that we were all junkies and they believed us. Rick was a diabetic so he was like shooting insulin. Then we went to bed that night and we got a little bit fucked up, we had a campfire, and [before] we went to sleep that night, we went back to their truck and put used syringes all over their truck, on the handles of their car, their doorhandles. They must have been so flipped out. So that was really funny. Tag and Rick always pull off some insane dork that can be read as really offensive or really funny. Of course I always read them as being really funny.